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May 13th, 2021 at 6:04pm
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Hello everyone,

I purchased three instruments (trombone, trumpet, and cornet?) from a woman who had been using them as decorations. I started to research them based on the inscriptions and serial numbers. I don't have any experience with this topic, but I would love to know more about the possible age or origins of any of these instruments. The trombone is Wm Frank Co. The trumpet is Kühnl & Hoyer. The cornet(?) has no inscriptions, except possibly a C stamped on the side near the serial number. That one is the biggest mystery.

Pictures are below! Thanks in advance for sharing any knowledge you might have:)

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says "Dynamic"

Cornet(?)
  
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Reply #1 - May 14th, 2021 at 8:25pm
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The cornet appears to be an example of a cornet made by the Conn subsidiary, Pan American in about 1921.  The "C" is interesting.  Conjecture, it may refer to bore size or pitch. 

On the Frank instrument, the Barrington plant was opened in 1945, and that appears to be a low number.  So, it probably dates to that period.
  
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Is that trombone serial # 11521?
So far the lowest  Barrington # I've recorded is 14866.
  
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I have a piture of a Wurlitzer Lyric Cornet that has so many similarities with your cornet that they probably were made by the same maker
  
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Reply #4 - May 15th, 2021 at 7:59pm
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Yep, the Pan American - New Wurlitzer - 46A does look a lot like it.
  
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It is "1162"

pryorphone wrote on May 15th, 2021 at 2:59pm:
Is that trombone serial # 11521?
So far the lowest  Barrington # I've recorded is 14866.

  
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Thank you! Do you know of any list of Conn serial numbers? From what I can find online, the numbers don't look like the one on this cornet, which says "P19426C"



kenton wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 8:25pm:
The cornet appears to be an example of a cornet made by the Conn subsidiary, Pan American in about 1921.  The "C" is interesting.  Conjecture, it may refer to bore size or pitch. 

On the Frank instrument, the Barrington plant was opened in 1945, and that appears to be a low number.  So, it probably dates to that period.    

  
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clementine wrote on May 16th, 2021 at 2:31pm:
It is "1162"

pryorphone wrote on May 15th, 2021 at 2:59pm:
Is that trombone serial # 11521?
So far the lowest  Barrington # I've recorded is 14866.



Thanks!  Now that I looked a little more carefully because of your answer I did have a Barrington trombone that was "866" that I originally thought must be incomplete or an old slide.  This is further evidence that he may have started over at some point!
  
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Reply #8 - May 16th, 2021 at 3:35pm
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You're welcome! That's really cool.
At first I was confused about the serial number and inscription because I didn't think the Barrington numbers went that low. It would make sense if the numbers started over.
If that's the case, what year do you think this trombone was made?

pryorphone wrote on May 16th, 2021 at 3:23pm:
clementine wrote on May 16th, 2021 at 2:31pm:
It is "1162"

pryorphone wrote on May 15th, 2021 at 2:59pm:
Is that trombone serial # 11521?
So far the lowest  Barrington # I've recorded is 14866.



Thanks!  Now that I looked a little more carefully because of your answer I did have a Barrington trombone that was "866" that I originally thought must be incomplete or an old slide.  This is further evidence that he may have started over at some point!
  
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clementine wrote on May 16th, 2021 at 3:35pm:
You're welcome! That's really cool.
At first I was confused about the serial number and inscription because I didn't think the Barrington numbers went that low. It would make sense if the numbers started over.
If that's the case, what year do you think this trombone was made?


Frank clearly continued with their original number series once they moved to Barrington (at least up to 111918), so it's hard to know when or why they started over.  It may have even run at the same time (other manufacturers were know to have multiple sets of numbers).  All one can say for sure at this time is that it's 1945-p.1950.
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Reply #10 - May 16th, 2021 at 5:37pm
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"F. Courtiere|J.W.Pepper|Importers|Philadelphia|37198" C/Bb cornet
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 9th, 2021 at 3:28am
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Kuhnl & Hoyer (no relation to the Hoyer that makes Wagner tubas) is still in existence.

http://www.kuehnl-hoyer.de/en/home-kh/

The can probably date your trumpet for you.
  
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