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Martin Handcraft Dansant
Jul 25th, 2019 at 12:15am
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Hi,
Newbie here, just registered.

I just bought a Martin Hadcraft Dansant trombone on eBay.
It is marked near the slide:

DAN
  M
H & L
63654

From what I have found the serial number makes it from 1925.

Can anyone tell me what the "M" and "H & L" signify?
If I saw H or L on a sax I would assume High or Low pitch but this has both.

My band director who is a trombonist thinks it may be high pitched. but I'm not convinced (or rather I don't want to be..).

I play Sax mostly and this is my first brass instrument so while I can currently get a sound out of it, I am not confident that I am blowing it well enough to be sure of what I am seeing on the tuner.
I can blow a Bb but it is all over the place ranging from a B to Bb. If I blow the next partial I get a reasonably solid F and then a Bb above that.

Can anyone tell me anything about this horn?
Here are some pictures:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gxni6c36qljdm8l/Martin%20Handcraft%201.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sizdzae0xbo5fok/Martin%20Handcraft%202.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yxm1npe2kx214sc/Martin%20Handcraft%203.jpg?dl=0

Thanks in advance.

David....
  
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Re: Martin Handcraft Dansant
Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2019 at 9:16pm
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I was trying to see some indication on the case where there might have been places where either an extra tuning slide, or at least some add-on sleeves may have gone, to get the horn to convert from high pitch to low pitch.  But, I'm unable to make anything out like that in the case.  Though I suppose one possibility might be that it is not the original case.
  
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Re: Martin Handcraft Dansant
Reply #2 - Jul 26th, 2019 at 2:20am
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There are some places in the case where bits have fallen off where other parts may have gone. I may buy some brass stock and turn down an extension for the tuning slide. My partner has an uncle with a lathe.

If anyone has one that they can measure or has seen one so I can get an idea that would be really useful.

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Re: Martin Handcraft Dansant
Reply #3 - Jul 26th, 2019 at 3:36pm
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davidlh wrote on Jul 25th, 2019 at 12:15am:
Can anyone tell me what the "M" and "H & L" signify?


The "M" almost certainly denotes medium bore, a code which was used at one time or another on almost all brasswinds which had multiple bores (if nobody has explained that yet).  Other codes manufacturers have used have been "S" (small), "ML" (medium large) and "L" (large).  There was no standard, so each manufacturer uses their own sizing definition and bore profile.
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Re: Martin Handcraft Dansant
Reply #4 - Jul 27th, 2019 at 1:06am
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Thanks Michael,
Another part of the puzzle.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 27th, 2019 at 11:20am
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kenton wrote on Jul 25th, 2019 at 9:16pm:
I was trying to see some indication on the case where there might have been places where either an extra tuning slide, or at least some add-on sleeves may have gone, to get the horn to convert from high pitch to low pitch.  But, I'm unable to make anything out like that in the case.  Though I suppose one possibility might be that it is not the original case.


I have had another look and there is a place where someting would have gone in the case that could have been an extra piece between the tuning slide and the rest of the horn.
There is also a shiny mark on the case that looks as though the tuning slide used to rest there.
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 27th, 2019 at 2:52pm
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I'm wondering if the handslide wasn't long enough for BOTH High Pitch and Low Pitch... usually a High Pitch slide wouldn't be long enough for a 7th position in Low Pitch...
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 27th, 2019 at 4:39pm
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pryorphone wrote on Jul 27th, 2019 at 2:52pm:
I'm wondering if the handslide wasn't long enough for BOTH High Pitch and Low Pitch... usually a High Pitch slide wouldn't be long enough for a 7th position in Low Pitch...


I think they generally built the HP/LP trombones with a LP slide.  That way it worked in LP and there was plenty of slide for HP.   

But, if it was just a HP pitch trombone then the slide probably won't be long enough for 7th. 

So, I guess what Pryorphone is suggesting, and I would agree, if it was just a HP trombone, then building extensions will not get you a fully functioning instrument because you won't be able to get a 7th position.  But if the extensions or an additional tuning slide was originally part of the product, then the extensions will work. 

(and if you don't care about low B natural and E natural, you don't need 7th position anyway!)
  
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Re: Martin Handcraft Dansant
Reply #8 - Aug 1st, 2019 at 1:41am
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Thanks, if the slide was any longer I wouldn't be able to reach it anyway.

I know a tech that does great work, I'll go see him.
  
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Re: Martin Handcraft Dansant
Reply #9 - Aug 21st, 2019 at 2:40am
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I dropped the Martin off to the tech yesterday (Gustafson Custom Horns) .  They think it probably originally had 2 tuning slides.
They will check the tuning and add some length to the tuning slide to bring it to pitch. They said it is a relatively straightforward modification and have done this sort of work before. Probably about $100AUD. They are always really busy so won't be done until mid September but not an issues as I am in no particular hurry.  I'll let you know how it goes.
  
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