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King Piston Valve French Horn?
Feb 1st, 2018 at 9:26pm
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Hello, I just purchased this horn by auction and I am trying to identify it. It looks identical to the Cleveland Brand #620, but it is stamped 'King'. I cannot find this particular horn listed in any of the catalogs I was able to find online. Any help?  Thanks! (P.S. Not a mellophone, plays with the left hand and pistons are angled). I would add a picture, but can't figure out how. The Serial # is 260276, but I haven't found a model number on the horn itself and it came with nothing, not even a case. It is silver.
  
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Re: King Piston Valve French Horn?
Reply #1 - Feb 2nd, 2018 at 1:01am
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A King serial number list brings up 1941.  Assuming your horn is in the same octave F as the "French" horn... the American forces used piston horns during that time to avoid instruments that had European rotary valves.  Sounds like this is one of them...
  

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Re: King Piston Valve French Horn?
Reply #2 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:35pm
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The only problem I have with using the "king" serial numbers, is that according to the H.N. White company, they never made french horns. Although, they did purchase the Cleveland brand of instruments and Cleveland did make french horns.  Undecided
  
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Re: King Piston Valve French Horn?
Reply #3 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:47pm
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Understood.  But Government contracting led to some odd ducks.

Here is a Conn piston valve horn said to be made in 1952...
  

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Re: King Piston Valve French Horn?
Reply #4 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 1:00pm
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Kildonon wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:35pm:
The only problem I have with using the "king" serial numbers, is that according to the H.N. White company, they never made french horns. Although, they did purchase the Cleveland brand of instruments and Cleveland did make french horns.  Undecided


I'm curious about your comment, I find on the HN White site this introduction to French Horns: 

The first H. N. White French Horn entered production in 1923 or 1924, first showing up in the King 1924 catalog as the 1154 Model with both a Single and Double available. As the popularity of French Horns grew H. N White developed and refined his production techniques to equal that of European manufacturers. After about five years of refinements, the King French horn of the late 1920's was the first French Horn produced in the United States to be recognized as equal to those made in Europe

Am I misinterpreting something here?
  
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