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I just purchased a bugle ...
Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:14am
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Hello,

Wm Frank Co Chicago IL
No serial number ...
Ive tryed to insert photo - but, cant figure this site out nough !?

Pls let me know where to conduct more research, value, etc ...
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Reply #1 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:41am
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Hmm we don't have an Frank Bugles in the database.  If you would send pictures to Kenton@horn-u-copia.net, I'll make a composite and add it to the database
  
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Picture have been sent to email address your listed ...
Thank You -

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This is a Frank Bugle



(Actually, I was mistaken, due to a typo the other Frank bugles were not showing. )
  
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Is mine the 1 of 1 from 1927 ??
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 9:46am
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How can you tel ?
What (in your opinion) is the value ?
What year would that make it ?
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Reply #7 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 8:06pm
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Hello - (good afternoon)
Just a reminder ...you did not reply to my last !?
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No response to why ?
How did you think that?
Its an honest question - that I clearly do not know the answer too !! ??
  
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Al wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 8:31pm:
No response to why ?
How did you think that?
Its an honest question - that I clearly do not know the answer too !! ?? 


kenton wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 4:57pm:
I know this is going to be an odd segue, but my 97 year old mother has just past away, and I'm going to be dealing with matters of family for the next week or two, and I don't know how consistently I may be on here.  It may get neglected or it may be my refuge.
  

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Reply #10 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 11:16pm
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I can tell which one is yours, because I made a composite of the photos you provided. 

The bugles don't have a lot of value. 

The information we have on dating bugles is contained on this page. 

http://www.horn-u-copia.net/serial/Franklist.html

I don't have any more detailed information than that.
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 5th, 2017 at 8:16pm
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The same is true of natural trumpets (not having much value). Travel the world, visit brass museums, and you'll typically find cases of natural trumpets off in a corner somewhere, gathering dust.

In many cases they're all that's left of certain periods of brasswinds. From ca 1750 to ca 1850 there is a huge gap in the record, of physical specimens of metal instruments.

Strings and woodwinds are a different story. Strings from this period can fetch a big price, but woodwinds often go for cheap, most often due to simple or obsolete key systems, plus high or low pitch that renders them unusable. I know a guy with a display case full of old oboes he can't sell.

I think what might have happened with the old brass from this period is that the metal may have been recycled or thrown out. Many things were tried from 1750 to 1850 that were very shortlived, making horns obsolete almost as soon as they were invented.

For example, long before Weidinger made a 6-key trumpet, there were clapper-key trumpets having just a few keys, from ca 1750 to ca 1800. There are written records mentioning such instruments, and music that could only have been played on some form of keyed instrument, but so far few to no drawings or artwork have surfaced.

Bugles have likewise suffered from a lack of interest. Especially the music/performance practice, that has changed over time, and had many local idioms over the years.

For example, bugle bands used to have half the band using crooks to lower the pitch 1 step. By working back and forth between the sections, they were able to play melodies and harmonies. These were replaced by 1-valve bugles, then 2-valve bugles, and eventually by 3-valved brass.
  

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Reply #12 - Apr 5th, 2017 at 8:18pm
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BTW- what key is the Frank bugle?
  

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