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Scott & Jones Eb tuba
Jun 20th, 2010 at 7:52pm
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Hi, all,

I accidently bought a tuba this week . . . Okay, that's tongue in cheek - I  thought I was buying a backup euphonium so I don't trash my prized double-bell. Some of you probably saw it on that auction site last week.

It's a bit dented and there's not a lot of silver left. But the valves are in very good condition, and it has a decent tone (assuming you play tuba in Eb, which I don't).

Turns out, it's an Eb tuba labeled Scott & Jones Special, Youngstown, OH.

Scott & Jones is not in the manufacturer's list. What I've learned (using Google Books) is that Scott & Jones evidently owned a music store in Youngstown around the turn of the 19th-20th century. They were at 208 W. Federal Street. Jones may have been Scott's half-brother. I suspect this horn was made by someone else and badged for their store.

Cool thing is that the horn tunes to either standard or high pitch. The main tuning slide (located before the valves) has an index arrow and line.

Links to photos will follow.

Stuart Kern
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Re: Scott & Jones Eb tuba
Reply #1 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 7:53pm
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Re: Scott & Jones Eb tuba
Reply #2 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 12:09am
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Stuart,

Are they cork top valve caps?  i.e. do they have a cup on top to hold a cork to keep the valve button from hitting the valve cap?
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 1:23pm
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No, these are the more modern closed caps. Note that the buttons are not very thick and are very plain.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/-2lwBDuAWfLQyBn2ridCGg?feat=directlink

The valve body, caps, and valves are stamped 118, 119, and 120.

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Reply #4 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 3:21pm
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Here a composite of the instrument:



Everything you described sounds consistent with an import from right around 1900.
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 5:15pm
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Nice composite - brings all the features into focus. I wondered where they came from.

Where might it have been imported from? England or Germany, or elsewhere? And were imported horns of cheaper material/construction than American-made? The metal seems much lighter gauge than my 1915 Holton double-bell.

Is there much history out there on store-branded instruments? Are there manufacturers who were known for making horns for private labels, either as a secondary line to their own brands, or as their primary product?

Funny how answers just lead to more questions.

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Reply #6 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 5:39pm
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I apologize for repeatedly replying to myself.

I just skimmed the photos, and my horn is the spitting image of some of the Eb JW Pepper tubas.

http://www.horn-u-copia.net/picture.php?show=./instruments/Pepper/Pepper-tuba-56...

http://www.horn-u-copia.net/picture.php?show=./instruments/Pepper/Pepper-tuba-30...

http://www.horn-u-copia.net/picture.php?show=./instruments/Pepper/Pepper-tuba.jp...

My clue for looking at Pepper was an article by Scooter Pirtle on The Middle Horn Leader website, http://www.middlehornleader.com/Evolution%20of%20the%20Bugle%20--%20Manufacturer..., that mentions Pepper as making instruments for other distributors.

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Reply #7 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 9:16pm
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Good ol' Scooter!

Usually the first suspects to question are the guys from the Czech Republic.  Huh

Bohland and Fuchs were the most prolific. 

Pepper made some of his product, but he imported more than he made.

  
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Stuart wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 5:15pm:
And were imported horns of cheaper material/construction than American-made? The metal seems much lighter gauge than my 1915 Holton double-bell.


Not necessarily.  Often the quality was determined by the specifications set by the purchaser.  The US makers always promoted the idea that the imports were of inferior quality, but it wasn't necessarily so.

The gauge of the metal was also a design style not an indication of quality.  I have a Distin (one of the top quality US makers from the turn of the Century) Eb tuba, and it is a thin  gauge.
  
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Reply #9 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 1:02pm
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I'm certainly no expert, but the leadpipe with the tuning slide before the valve set looks like my USA Line, Grand Rapids Band Instruments, made by York, euphonium/baritone.  You might look at York as a suspect too.  Ahh... but mine is left-handed.
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 8:52pm
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Don't know how I missed it the first twenty times around, but "Austria" is stamped on the last band of the lead pipe where the mouthpiece inserts.

I stopped by Harv Hartman's shop yesterday to have some of the dents rolled out. It's a pretty sweet horn. I still need to spend more time with polish. But I can play some of Teddy Bear's Picnic, to the great delight of all.

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Reply #11 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 9:53pm
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Harv is a great guy, isn't he!

I'm glad to hear that he was able to smooth out the horn.
  
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